MI VOTT, extra horns, and 19's in Cincy

[juniper]

Well, I DO have a set of PA version of the A7 with 421 woofers in them and 511B horns. So I do know what they look like. It's not that big of a deal to me either way. Just wondered why everyone was making such a big deal out of it and coming to the conclusion that it wasn't an Altec woofer. That's all.

Because a JBL speaker in an ALTEC cabinet is sacriligious!!!!

[bowtie427ss]

Just wondered why everyone was making such a big deal out of it and coming to the conclusion that it wasn't an Altec woofer.

For those familiar with the products, the conclusion is easily reached.

The "big deal" is that it's an ad selling something where the photo directly contradicts the description.

Because a JBL speaker in an ALTEC cabinet is sacriligious!!!!

For some folks this is also a factor. Although in the marketplace, i'd value a good working pair of E-140's considerably higher than any version 421. That is not to suggest that one woofer is better than the other, it's simply relative to their performance in a resale market.

There is also the remote possibility that those are indeed 421's, albeit with grossly incorrect parts used to re-cone them. I think it's unlikely, but to be fair i do recognize that remote possibility having seen some pretty odd cone kits slapped in Altec woofers in the past.

[hemicuda]

I am very familiar with Altec speakers and love them. I own 3 pairs and won't sell them because they are excellent. To me they are the best. That's why I'm a member here. Either way, I'm not going to have a stroke if someone does put another brand woofer in Altec cabinets. I've seen that happen MANY times in the past. The bad thing is that they always use just whatever fits. JBL isn't so sac-religious in an Altec cabinet to me. It could be worse believe me! It's not the end of the world. Each to his own. I don't like when someone says something is original and it's obviously not. But I'm not going to lose sleep over it and act like they've commited a murder... Just my 2 cents worth.

[bowtie427ss]

JBL isn't so sac-religious in an Altec cabinet to me.

I'm glad to hear that, because, well, i'm guilty of it.

The bad thing is that they always use just whatever fits.

Like automotive subwoofers.

FWIW, i have a message in to the CL seller asking him to identify the driver compliment. Maybe, we can get a positive ID on what's in there.

[bowtie427ss]

Seller wrote back, claims they're 421's. So, they've either been reconed with non-Altec parts, or the woofers have been swapped outside of his knowledge or recollect. He'd take a grand cash, has multiple compression drivers to choose from. Sounds like a reasonable seller, i really didn't want to ask a whole lot of him since i'm not an interested buyer. Might be worth somebody's while to check out his model 19 deal if you're reasonably located.

[voice of the theater]

.....Might be worth somebody's while to check out his model 19 deal if you're reasonably located.

I'm surprised he's barely listing anything about his Model 19's in his CL ad. No photos and not much text etc. I would think those would be easier to sell--more demand and he's shooting himself in the foot the way he's (barely) listing them.....

[hemicuda]

Seller wrote back, claims they're 421's. So, they've either been reconed with non-Altec parts, or the woofers have been swapped outside of his knowledge or recollect. He'd take a grand cash, has multiple compression drivers to choose from. Sounds like a reasonable seller, i really didn't want to ask a whole lot of him since i'm not an interested buyer. Might be worth somebody's while to check out his model 19 deal if you're reasonably located.

HAHA - So I wasn't so ignorant after everything was said and done then! I said they were 421 woofers in my first post...

[cradeldorf]

Because a JBL speaker in an ALTEC cabinet is sacriligious!!!!

I don't think it's as sacrilegious as putting say an EV in an Altec cabinet though. Maybe the chrome caps got pushed in by somebody so they glued larger ones over top of them?

[bowtie427ss]

I said they were 421 woofers in my first post...

And have yet to offer any evidence to support your claim.

You have missed the entire point of the exercise. They do NOT have 421 cones, and are likely NOT 421's at all. Until the seller offers pics of the actual woofers from behind, they could be nearly anything. Improperly re-coned 421's are only one possibility, and i don't give that possibility a lot of creedence.

If you want to take the seller's word at face value, that's entirely your prerogative. I know better.

Maybe the chrome caps got pushed in by somebody so they glued larger ones over top of them?

Larger caps would have covered the VC leads on a stock 421. I've replaced 421 metal domes with Altec vented paper caps which are a bit less than 4 inches in diameter, they completely cover the voice coil leads. The dust caps shown are at least 4 inch, and the VC leads are still visible.

Also, the 421 cone has a smooth, consistent surface profile. The cones in the pic obviously do not.

The possibilities: They could be 421's that were re-coned with a Waldom or other cheap ass kit that doesn't belong there. Check ebay, there are incorrectly re-coned Altec woofers on there often.

The other distinct possibility which i find more likely as the VC leads shown outside the 4 inch dust cap strongly suggest a 4 inch voice coil resides under there, is that they are JBL E130/E140 or K140's.

[Old Guy]

HAHA - So I wasn't so ignorant after everything was said and done then! I said they were 421 woofers in my first post...

Well,yes. But could be severely mutilated 421's. It should be made a great deal. Would you not want to know if you are going to spend $250 on repairs? Seller says he will take a grand per Bowtie, that means a possible $1250 total. You can buy an MI pair pretty much any day for $1250, so might be better to spend $1100 on a set in better shape.